I test drove a 2017 Bounder ane was so disappointed the swaying i stopped the test ride made a coment just how bad the suspension was . I am a advid do it youeself kind of person and a big fan and sympathizer on your “How Not to” videos and wanted to get your advice on upgrades. I was considering the Wynn’s upgrades along with the sump springs airless air bags. Our new motorhome … We still love our gas coach (the floorplan, layout and quality are ideal for us) and are sure with an enhancement like this, we would love it even more! We bought our 33 ft coach used and the previous owner had installed a Roadmaster. If it’s that big of a difference, and everybody knows it, and if, as you so astutely alluded, Ford does any sort of legit R&D, why do these gas coaches still not have sway control as a standard? Upon return, I started to research the RV. They suggested these Roadmaster anti sway bars and steering assist which he added as soon as Amazon Prime delivered the parts. Looks very easy to do and seems to have great reviews. I went to test drive another Class C and Class A (after the purchase of this one) which was a Jayco Precept and I had this thing up to 70 and was driving one handed. I appreciate your reponse and I know its not T&A but you will have to admit probably one of the reaons you are succeesfull is that you are both attractive, I dont see too many video’s with the stereotypical RV’er. If you have the same chassis there’s a good chance you can install everything yourself in less than a day with little more than a screw gun, ratchet set and some wrenches. Roadmaster has developed front and rear anti-sway bar kits [right] to replace the small OEM anti-sway bars that are found under Class C motorhomes rolling on the popular Ford E-350/E-450 V-8/V-10 chassis. I do think you can install most of the items yourself and purchase on Amazon to save a few hundred bucks. I added the tuner to “the list” They are also a lot heavier so bumps and wind do not affect them as much. You should check out our diesel models! The shift and engine performance was quite a bit different, I have several hills around me (not mountains but good short grades) I had to really try to get it to downshift hard otherwise in cruise it shifted only one gear and came out of the shift very quickly ( 3200RPM was max I saw in cruise Mode) No disengaging and re-engaging the cruise. Hi Jason, White knuckles describes the trip. I installed it several months ago before a trip into the GA, NC mountains with a toad. Keith, Go to http://roadmasterinc.com/locator/results_list.php?showonly=US&tab=US&zip=&distance=100&state=TX&city=houston&name=&products= A rear trac bar reduces rear axle side-to-side play, which translates into predictable handling and precise steering. It’s truly sad that an outfit like Camping World cannot install something properly. Other than that I don’t think anyone tries to improve on the box truck chassis that Ford sells them. Love your kitty cat. But seriously, well I am serious, I would tone down the enthusiasm, just a little too much and comes across a bit fake. Thanks for the info, I do appreciate it. 2 months ago I bought a 2008 Four Winds Siesta with a MB V6 3.0 litre turbo diesel on a Dodge 3500 Sprinter chassis. The first 150 miles of Interstate were in a monsoon, the remaining 300 miles on 98% Interstate including the perimeter around Atlanta, heavy traffic. The wind and passing vehicle influence was very much abated. Thanks! Overkill or I’m I confused on the product(s) intended purpose? Cannot wait to see what you do with gas engine noise in the ford chasis with v10 engine, The stabilizers ABSOLUTELY helped, it’s like night and day. I agree, I am probably going to do a rear track bar first as there is none back there and ford put one on the front from the factory a few years back, so it definitely not snake oil. Our Christmas trip is going to be a brand new experience for us. Is there any special setting you need to do for the traffic reports? One popular yet effective fix for excessive steering play on a Class C motorhome based on a Ford E series chassis is to install heavy duty anti-sway bars. You can purchase these or if you like to tinker and have some access to mainly a mill you can make your own for around $60. I have the exact Bounder as the Wynn’s (2016 35K, on a 2015 Chassis, 5 speed, New ones rolling off the line now are on the 2016 Chassis with the 6 Speed, but in looking on all the dealer sites I still haven’t found one actually out there) Because of Jason’s video it was an area I watched closely in my bounder. I can say I also installed the 5star tuner and the drive to the shop to get the chassis mods was very pleasant. Peace out! When I drove the Tiffin home 2 hours from the dealer I realized that the ride and handling left a lot to be desired. Just coincidence maybe. I have found the notice leave, shifting, etc is dependent on how I drive it! Maybe after watching this, I can get my wife (Mandi) to drive Quick question, does your bounder get good cool down factor in the back bedroom? Hope this helps some. The last mod was the installation of Sumo Springs up front. Attempting to drop it back off at the dealership, the 300 miles I put on it was now going to cost me 10k (in the buyback) and I simply can’t take it in the shorts that bad. Ah yes, we like that little guy as well. IMHO you guys are doing the RV community a great favor by doing your RV comparisons and evaluations and now by your involvement with Fleetwood as they’re one of the biggest players in the industry and will probably have a bigger more immediate impact on the build quality across all mfrs. Jason and Nikki, The instructions says … Great article and video. Stopped the sway instantly. Every time an 18 wheeler passes I get pushed around. As for gunning the motor, we only did that for demonstration purposes but honestly, going up hills, it happens no matter how gentle we are. Awesome review and sooooo timely. Air tools will make this a much easier install. Fits Ford F53 Class A Motorhome 1990-97 Rear 1 1/2" sway bars Polyurethane Sway Bar Bushing Set. I bought my current diesel a year ago. I saw one that you had done a good while back. I’m excited for you. We are looking at upgrading in the next year, and I think we would do those upgrades immediately if it wouldn’t void any warranty. When I talked to the folks at RoadMaster, I let them know I saw the info on your blog hoping to get you some more press. Thanks for the reply. The biggest source of noise that I notice is the the roller shades banging against the window frames. This should reduce harshness over bumps. Thanks as always for sharing your insights and experiences. Gas RV Experience – Noise, Ride & Performance, Reflex Steering Stabilizer Class A “RSSA”, https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/gas-rv-experience-noise-ride-performance, http://roadmasterinc.com/locator/results_list.php?showonly=US&tab=US&zip=&distance=100&state=TX&city=houston&name=&products=, https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/whitehorse-yukon-klondike, https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/make-money-travel, https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/rv-modifications-technology, Our Gas RV MPG – Fleetwood Bounder with Ford V10, Our Gas RV Experience – Noise, Ride & Performance, 1139-140 Roadmaster Front Sway Bar  $642.01, 1139-145 Roadmaster Rear Sway Bar   $869.04, RSSA Reflex Steering Stabilizer $328.14 +  RBK9  RSSA mounting bracket $100.57, Installation fee for RSSA & RBK9 = $100 total. He mentioned being white knuckled driving in heavy Altlanta traffic. I paid about 1/2 what a new Bounder gas motor home would be. There may be a way to dampen the sound without altering the device. Stabilizing Sway Bar A sway bar keeps the RV flatter in turns by transferring the pressure on the outboard wheel and applying it to the inboard tire, distributing the weight more evenly on all four wheels for a road-hugging ride. Customer Service at 5 Star in NC is very helpful and it is an easy self install. Great! This is not meant to be an instructional manual, but a recount of our experience only. My 2015 Phoenix Cruiser is build on a Ford E-450 chassis with a V-10 and 5 speed transmission. These are all reasons why I appreciate what you’re doing. Our RV is sitting on level ground and the jacks are only extended to keep it from bouncing while we are walking around inside. I bought my 1999 Bounder 34J two years ago for the price of a good used car. I would say…I’m the only driver…”Don’t you feel that?”….I mean what is wrong with this picture. It was extremely well cared for by the previous owner. How’s upstate NY sound? 00. These were not difficult to DIY but be aware that for the track bar you will likely need an impact wrench. In comparison to the Tiffin they offer some really nice features such as a much better inverter and a larger water tank. A recreational vehicle will sway from side to side when traveling down a road. We really do not notice dog house noise much at all. As you know, there’s nothing like a diesel pusher, although there are some diesel chassis’s that ride bad too. Thank you! to fix the handling all you have to do is move the adjusting bolts from one hole to the other one. Great suggestion. Thanks Michael, are you thinking about doing the install yourself? lol Even though this video was meant to help with gas RV stabilizers, I think your suggestions will work with my 25′ motorhome. If I can improve the ride just a little more then maybe I will stop looking at other coaches. Thanks for taking the time to share. At least you took the 205 around Portland instead of going through the heart of town. The handling improvement is certainly noticeable and makes driving much more comfortable. No one or any other vehicle was damaged but it was horrific seeing that bright yellow spring disappear in the rear view camera…and the sound of the remain half scraping the pavement the rest of the way home was disconcerting at best. ha ha, we have the Rand McNally RV GPS (in our shop) and its great but that was actually google (my cell phone) plugged into our speaker. Wow! Your Siesta on the Sprinter chassis would be the same as a front engine gas RV. Hi Deborah, The diesel they are talking about is a diesel pusher motorhome. We love the L-shaped sofa and the TV fireplace combination right in from of the sofa. Thanks again for bending Fleetwood’s ear towards their actual consumers. I lived in Washington state for 30 years. That was our experience too. Jason’s eyes in the sun light are amazing!! While I did not end up going with Roadmaster, the results after my DIY install were the same…much more relaxing and safer to drive. Basically, for 0$, you can fix the front end in about 30 minutes yourself if you’re handy. Love it. Well done. We're here to help - call us at 1-800-358-4751 . Two years ago I went from a pop-up to a class A. Patrick, It rocks like a boat on the ocean when all my tanks are empty. First trip out I thought it rocked and rolled more than it should.Don’t ask me how but I came upon your blog and watched your video.I have done some research and thing the sway bars will help. The difference in the ride was like night and day. I have a 2015 Coachmen 36′ and it has the V10 Ford motor as well. But, we love this coach and don’t really want the expense. I have a chronically sore back and in the end I just couldn’t bend over far enough to do it. The 2 trips I have driven have only been for about 170 miles each way and I am truly exhausted when I stop. rick, Thanks! I talked with the factory and ordered the kits. The product knowledge of the outfit I bought it from is really poor since the Alante’s are so new. We have a rear A/C and it is a MUST for any RV over 30′ if you plan to travel in areas where temps reach 85+ degrees. The dealership said they are going to make it right and they are going to check with Jayco Corporate to determine what can be done to make this thing more enjoyable to drive. The front roadmaster is a little less expensive so will be trying that next. We don't know if he's just trying to control sway, or if he's having handling problems. The vehicle will handle better tha without the mods but it can still be a handful depending on the strength of the wind. Front and rear sumo springs, Really enjoy your videos. On the driver’s side, install the SuperSteer spacer plate so it’s sandwiched between the axle tube and anti-sway bar bracket. Tiffin has them as an option now and will factory install. Thanks for this Great Blog! Diesel pushers usually have an air ride suspension, and very good sway bars. Yes, in the spring. Met great people. There are some motorhomes that actually use the cab of the 550 truck and then build out the RV behind the cab from there. Nice video. For those that want their motorhome to handle more like a car, get both.”. My point is, unless I win the lottery, this is the only motorhome I will ever own. Yea, when we crossed I was thinking about Mt. Many find the rear to be such an improvement that they go no further. Dang auto spelling, G’day again guys, this was another great video – we loved watching/hearing/reading about the massive improvement the Roadmaster solution has made to the driving performance of your gas coach, making it feel more stable and less ‘floaty’ as gas coaches tend to be. I don’t believe my unit comes stock with the Bilstein Shocks like it does on the Precept. Thanks and I hope somebody knows of a shop in my area. A bounce and a knock and I envisioned a Midnight Express moment (the movie~maybe not to be seen). Although we have a much older and Chevy chassis, we are definitely going to use your info to see if it can work for us! I still remember going through my first toll booth. And I have to say I am amazed that RV mfrs. The end result is supposed to be similar to sway bars in that they offer increased roll resistance. We have decided to try the “cheap handling fix” which works on the F53 chassis. That way all the members can talk about these issues. We have a Fleetwood, Fiesta, 36T with a Chevy Workhorse (W22) chassis. SuperSteer Trac Bars reduce side play, which means increased control. « 30 is the new 40: Meet our new Bay Star RV! Cheap Handling Fix. Hey, thanks so much for sharing! And there's a lot of difference between a class C with an E-450 chassis and a class A with an F-53 chassis. The original Roadmaster steering stabilizer failed probably due to lack of maintenance for 10 years. The only reason I haven’t done this yet is that I don’t think of it unless I am driving the motorhome. Thanks, Janice M. I just installed sumo springs, an airless air bag with 0 maintenance. If you own, or have even driven a motorhome, the chances are good you are familiar with sway. Also, they shipped everything the next day, with free shipping. I just did the same three upgrades and the difference in the ride is amazing. I really need to know what is necessary (from an equipment perspective) and what I can move onto my next Class A in a few years when we upgrade. about installing only one of the sway bars (instead of both) and this is their response “Each part is available separately. My contact at Fleetwood confirmed the Bounder is on the F-53 chassis. It was good to hear your thoughts on these three upgrades. I would argue it is much a matter of safety as comfort. To purchase they are probably $700. These are closed cell foam springs, replacing the bump stops, that offer progressive resistance both up and down as they are compressed and released. One last comment – it would be great if you had a Forum on your website. We aren’t looking for perfection and we know once we head out west with the mountains we’ll still be driving more slowly than others but that’s the idea. Happy to help and sorry for the extra expenses I do feel the RSSA has helped quite a bit, but I’d say go for the Rear Sway bar first and see what happens from there! The one issue is the 1/2 bath has no vents in it so it is the only point in the coach that really does not have good air flow from the A/C. This caused some white knuckling when trucks past. Famous for my "how-not-to" videos, and typically the man behind the camera, sometimes I’m forced to be here in the “spotlight”. Robert, We don’t notice any squeaking or rattles in the dash. Great article. Once converted to a motorhome chassis it becomes a F53 chassis, but the truck VIN doesn’t reflect this. I don’t know why the RV Mfg. Installed them myself with the help of a friend. The Roadmaster failed at 50,000 mile and literally grenaded on the road. Many people recommended we replace the shocks on our RV but this would come at a great expense not only in products but in installation time. Here’s my understanding based on the manufacturer’s notes and from our driving experience: Of course it varies depending on the model year and chassis, but our total shop time for all 3 products was 3.5 hours (even though our tech completed it more quickly this is the going rate and should be approximately what to expect at most service centers). Based on your videos I believe that our 36LA is somewhat quieter than your Bounder. Thanks for the ride . It’s super easy. But the Safe T Plus failed to impress only because it was installed backwards. Do you think the chassi•Reflex Steering Stabilizer Class A “RSSA”s you installed is redundant or necessary. The bushings made all the difference and I’m not concerned about replacing the sway bar. Bounder – We like that we have the opportunity to test this Gas powered coach. Still a white-knuckle experience. Looking at doing it for mine. Oh, and welcome to the world of full time RV’ing! I truly enjoy all of your videos and tips. So thanks! We added a 1 1/2 in rear auxiliary stabilizer bar in addition to the rear bar that came with the chassis. I came across your Roadmaster YouTube visit. Any product tests on GPS units in the future? And watched many of your videos when we were evaluating models and shopping this past summer. Hmmmmm, ok, I’ll add this to the “LIST” of upgrades. One interesting thing on the Ford F53 chassis is that the front stock sway-bar has two positions, and is usually setup in the furthest outward bolt-hole (as was your Bounder). I’m sorry to say, that theirs no magical solution to make a gas motor home ride and drive like a diesel motor home, not to mention the lack of noise in the diesel too. Safe travels and Merry Christmas. I was looking to purchase a new 2015 Fleetwood Discovery 40X that was on sale for $189,000. An RV/Gadget type video. Thank you for being You Guys~love the time laps…wish some of our RV moments had that! We are planning on adding the sway bars and True Center to our new RV. I went through some wonderful training while I was a Cub Pack … I don’t press the gas hard just let it shift on it’s normal cycle without stressing it and the noise is greatly less and runs smoother. Figures. This spring will smooth out the impact of bumps like the oh so famous lines that run across the road. Sadly, I don’t think there’s enough money for Ford to invest a lot of R&D into these chassis. Thanks for checking. We added Safe-T-Steer stabilizer. Don’t like the ride of your gas coach? We have the 18000# F53 chassis. Have fun, stay safe (you dont mention anything about safety precautions on your videos) and I hope you can keep on doing what you are doing for as long as you can. If you’ve found this info helpful, the links to products are Amazon links and we receive a small commission if you click from our site and order within 24 hours. Thanks for the upgrade video. Powered by WordPress. AMERICA'S BEST CLASS C MOTORHOMES Bring the whole family along for this adventure; it’s time to take a trip in your Class C motorhome. Thank you so much for your comments and video’s. In doing some research on the 2015 F53 I found that the chassis you and I share has a self centering devise built in. Class A – We have never considered anything else as we feel it’s the best for our type of travel. We’ve looked high and low without any success until this vid. Before I drove it again I installed a rear track bar from Brazel and a Roadmaster steering stabilizer. I’d guess the reason they don’t install better sway bars at the factory is cost. We had to buy a big socket to tighten it and a good friend and long time trucker said to re-torque it after 50 miles. We enjoyed picking black berries across the street, making jelly!!! And if you did what made you choose the Road Master components? I’m sure he will hook you up if you do a review. Before ordering anything make sure you call Roadmaster, they have a dedicated support staff that knows the products inside and out…and once you get the proper part numbers then you can order from anywhere you’d like. I would research the reviews and call the shop you think is best and ask what they charge for ordering and install. Hope this helps. I was able to get a printout of all the torque specs for our chassis from a local Ford dealer. The cost of the upgrades was significant as they were done in the SF bay area since the labor rates are slightly higher here. 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